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Post by ishmael on Apr 28, 2010 19:39:13 GMT
Summers here and once again boats are back in the water. Those of us who live out on the trots and enjoy the serenity of isolated 'trot life' are eternally grateful to the Club and the 'pontooners' who allow us to enjoy the benefit of tying our humble dinghies to the section adjacent to the bridge. However, this is very much on a 'first come first served' basis. In recent years the number in dinghies appears to have increased whereas the number of 'trotters' appears to have diminished.. possibly.. slightly as more members take to the pontoons. In addition some of the dinghies appear to have increased in size and 10'-0", 12'-0" or even bigger are more apparent. I remember years ago, when I was a lad, that a dinghy, as a tender, was no more than 8'-0" and then you were being really posh. The purpose of the tender was to get the skipper and possibly one crew out to the boat.
As the dinghies have become more crowded moorling lines have become tighter and shorter as everybody bags a place. Getting in the dinghy can be dangerous as you ride up on the gunwales of your neighbour. Now we come to the 'Tender Trap' you arrive loaded down with oars and kit and find that you are boxed in. you can't get out without the risk of damage to neighbours boats or hauling the dinghy up on the pontoon.
Worse is yet to come after a day out sailing you return tired and find your usual spot taken by another. His dinghy is tied up with 12mm drop forged chain, wire hawsers and padlocks that make Scrooge (ghost of Christmas past) look positively lightweight. You then have to find and empty space before somebody else comes home.
Can we not get this organised? Can we not have allocated places? Big tender here little tenders there. If necessary I'd be prepared to pay for a spot to assist in the maintenance of this section and I know that Kenny does a lot. Somebody mentioned that there were plans to increase the size of the dinghy area. Is this correct? I'd be happy to help as I'm sure would other 'trotters' so as to avoid the 'Tender Trap'.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2010 10:02:50 GMT
why not set this area aside for loading unloading. If nobody can keep their tender there then everyone can use it.
but i suppose if the tender breeding program was controlled there may be a more manageable number of in use tenders that were kept on th water.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2010 10:19:09 GMT
I agree with set321go. I would like to see allocated spaces ashore for all tenders. There would then be plenty of space for people on the pontoons when people are actually using their boats. Tenders left on the water very quickly fill up with water anyway!
I have a yacht on the trots, but am also a dinghy sailor. Depending on wind direction, it would often be very useful to use this space when setting out / returning under sail.
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Post by gofa on May 10, 2010 17:44:55 GMT
This question was put to me to be answered at the AGM.
I felt it was not a AGM motion but would bring it up at the first available committe meeting which is tonight.
Therefore your problems will be addressed this evening
Thanks
Your Commodore
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Post by ishmael on May 11, 2010 19:39:05 GMT
Not sure that set231go is quite right about this as there a quite a few of us who use their dinghies on a very regular basis. Those very wealthy people with engines may not be happy with the idea of pulling the dinghy out of the water. 321 is however right about the dinghy breeding program being controlled. We now seem to have more dinghies than trots.
Taking the dinghies ashore means less space for those people who have sailing dinghies. I think its more a case of organization as opposed to culling. So I'm not sure that Peter's idea will go down too well with his fellow dinghy sailors.
I think its more a case of allocation of space to trotters and as I mentioned possibly a small fee for the privilege of keeping the dinghy in the water. With regard to the dinghies filling up with water it should be up to the owner to ensure that he keeps his boat afloat. There are several of us who bail out our neighbours if things are looking particularly low in the water. Also I know Kenny has previously pumped dinghies out.
Kenny has mentioned to me the possibility of running a section of chain along the plastic pontoon sections so as to allow more evenly spaced moorings.
Oops! just read The Commodore's posting. I hope this can be sorted out as I know the dinghy moorings can become quite an emotive issue. In anticipation, many thanks for your help Ray.
Regards
Ishmael
PS Interesting to note that more people have read the posting and commented about Allan's trip to Ireland than mooring their dinghies. Come to think about it more people viewed Martins holiday photographs than viewed this site! Well, at least 4 of us are concerned about sorting it out!
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Post by ishmael on Aug 12, 2018 18:58:33 GMT
Not sure that set231go is quite right about this as there a quite a few of us who use their dinghies on a very regular basis. Those very wealthy people with engines may not be happy with the idea of pulling the dinghy out of the water. 321 is however right about the dinghy breeding program being controlled. We now seem to have more dinghies than trots. Taking the dinghies ashore means less space for those people who have sailing dinghies. I think its more a case of organization as opposed to culling. So I'm not sure that Peter's idea will go down too well with his fellow dinghy sailors. I think its more a case of allocation of space to trotters and as I mentioned possibly a small fee for the privilege of keeping the dinghy in the water. With regard to the dinghies filling up with water it should be up to the owner to ensure that he keeps his boat afloat. There are several of us who bail out our neighbours if things are looking particularly low in the water. Also I know Kenny has previously pumped dinghies out. Kenny has mentioned to me the possibility of running a section of chain along the plastic pontoon sections so as to allow more evenly spaced moorings. Oops! just read The Commodore's posting. I hope this can be sorted out as I know the dinghy moorings can become quite an emotive issue. In anticipation, many thanks for your help Ray. Regards Ishmael PS Interesting to note that more people have read the posting and commented about Allan's trip to Ireland than mooring their dinghies. Come to think about it more people viewed Martins holiday photographs than viewed this site! Well, at least 4 of us are concerned about sorting it out!
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Post by ishmael on Aug 12, 2018 19:58:31 GMT
I'm not sure if there has in recent months been an increase in 'trotters', or a dinghy breeding programme. Suddenly we seem to have more dinghies than space. As far as I can work out a lot of the moored dinghies never move, some just sink, some die a natural death and disappear, and every so often there is a 'cull', thereby reducing the numbers.
I've had a trot mooring for many years and enjoy solitary life on the trot as opposed to the more cosmopolitan life enjoyed by the 'pontoon people'. Tenders left on the pontoon mooring rapidly fill with water and as such require regular bailing out and as such you need to attend regularly to bail out. You get to know the dinghy moored next to you and share buckets and scoops for bailing out. Whilst there are no designated spots, social courtesy and an act of civility was that you kept to your spot. However, the recent increase in numbers has now led to dinghies being squeezed in and on occasions difficulty in both getting in and out. There has also been an increase in the number of people with inflatables which will suffer as a consequence of overcrowding. Also dinghies seem to be getting larger, some I'm sure are bigger than my boat.
If the number of boats on the trots has increased then it would seem sensible to rationalise the dinghy mooring system so as to allow ease of access and reduce the risk of damage. I raised the matter a couple of years ago …. well just over 8 years ago [Ray was the Commodore and Kenny the harbourmaster rode a moped] ….following which I understand there were proposals to rearrange the section of pontoon to which the dinghies are moored. We then went through a couple of years in which the number of 'trotters' diminish with owners giving up trot life for the ease and comfort of pontoons. Now we appear to back to where we were before. Could we not rationalise the dinghy moorings and if necessary levy a charge which would then dissuade the non-users and the sinkers?
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Post by Kingfisher on Aug 13, 2018 12:21:12 GMT
I'm not sure if there has in recent months been an increase in 'trotters', or a dinghy breeding programme. Suddenly we seem to have more dinghies than space. As far as I can work out a lot of the moored dinghies never move, some just sink, some die a natural death and disappear, and every so often there is a 'cull', thereby reducing the numbers. I've had a trot mooring for many years and enjoy solitary life on the trot as opposed to the more cosmopolitan life enjoyed by the 'pontoon people, If the number of boats on the trots has increased then it would seem sensible to rationalise the dinghy mooring system so as to allow ease of access and reduce the risk of damage. I raised the matter a couple of years ago …. well just over 8 years ago [Ray was the Commodore and Kenny the harbourmaster rode a moped] ….following which I understand there were proposals to rearrange the section of pontoon to which the dinghies are moored. We then went through a couple of years in which the number of 'trotters' diminish with owners giving up trot life for the ease and comfort of pontoons. Now we appear to back to where we were before. Could we not rationalise the dinghy moorings and if necessary levy a charge which would then dissuade the non-users and the sinkers? What I would do if I was you is speak the other members who are on the trots and try get a group of them together, Then have a word with the harbour master (Ian Bebb) to ask if it would be ok to remove tenders that the owners are not on the trots and put them in the tender compound at the side of the yard, All tenders must have their boats name on it if it don't just remove, We on the work crews have more than enough work to keep us going because we get very little help from the 400 strong members its just the same old faces, BEST OF LUCK IN GETTING HELP.
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Post by ishmael on Aug 13, 2018 20:11:44 GMT
Kingfisher
Many thanks for your suggestions.
If the number of boats on the trots is to increase, or even remain as it is, then certainly the owners on the trots need to get themselves organised. Presumably there is a list of who is where?
I don't know of any rule to say that a person who is not on a trot cannot have a tender. And I'm not sure that even Iain could unilaterally sanction the removal of other peoples property. Some of these tenders are moored with chains, padlocks and high security cabling. I'm not looking for manpower, I looking for organisation and rationalisation. Now really is the time for organising for next year.
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Post by Kingfisher on Aug 14, 2018 8:46:24 GMT
As I said contact Ian on sat in the yard, I have spoke to him so contact him he do agree with what I have said,
Because of the shortage of space berth holders must put their tenders in the compound by the yard gate.
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Post by davecalypso on Aug 15, 2018 7:37:20 GMT
I agree with Ishmael completely. I spoke with the Harbour Master just this weekend, when taking out a tender and reporting that it can be scrapped. Ian informed me that the section under the bridge was to be cleared and that he was dealing with the situation. So good news Ian is aware and dealing.
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Post by Kingfisher on Aug 15, 2018 11:27:37 GMT
But still need people to do the work :ie trot members
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Post by davecalypso on Aug 15, 2018 20:37:28 GMT
I am not sure if anyone on the trots is a JCB driver, but I think I could find out, once we are aware of the situation with tenders being moved without the owners consent, we would also need cutting gear for the padlocks and chains, it's possible bolt croppers would do the job.
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Post by davecalypso on Aug 15, 2018 20:50:34 GMT
Judging by the number of views and replies to this subject it is obviously important to many people. But as I said in my first post Ian informed me that all was in hand, he actually named some of the owners and what was going to happen to the dinghies. He informed me that one member had already asked for Peter Barry's old tender and that the present owner had left the club. So I am sure Ian will sort it, possibly as soon as this coming weekend.
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Post by Kingfisher on Aug 16, 2018 7:08:59 GMT
Yes a lot of people looking in but this part of the forum is open to all not only members
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Post by clarinettist on Aug 17, 2018 14:54:26 GMT
I agree with Ishmael,there is obviously a problem and owners using the trots should be able to organise a solution that allows them to get on and off their boats without any hassle.
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Post by Kingfisher on Aug 18, 2018 6:53:50 GMT
No good talking about it on here guys Do something about it
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Post by Fred on Aug 19, 2018 8:08:56 GMT
Summers here The new area for the tenders sames a long way to go glad I am not on a trot and there sames to be a llot more tenders than boats on the trots and once again boats are back in the water. Those of us who live out on the trots and enjoy the serenity of isolated 'trot life' are eternally grateful to the Club and the 'pontooners' who allow us to enjoy the benefit of tying our humble dinghies to the section adjacent to the bridge. However, this is very much on a 'first come first served' basis. In recent years the number in dinghies appears to have increased whereas the number of 'trotters' appears to have diminished.. possibly.. slightly as more members take to the pontoons. In addition some of the dinghies appear to have increased in size and 10'-0", 12'-0" or even bigger are more apparent. I remember years ago, when I was a lad, that a dinghy, as a tender, was no more than 8'-0" and then you were being really posh. The purpose of the tender was to get the skipper and possibly one crew out to the boat. As the dinghies have become more crowded moorling lines have become tighter and shorter as everybody bags a place. Getting in the dinghy can be dangerous as you ride up on the gunwales of your neighbour. Now we come to the 'Tender Trap' you arrive loaded down with oars and kit and find that you are boxed in. you can't get out without the risk of damage to neighbours boats or hauling the dinghy up on the pontoon. Worse is yet to come after a day out sailing you return tired and find your usual spot taken by another. His dinghy is tied up with 12mm drop forged chain, wire hawsers and padlocks that make Scrooge (ghost of Christmas past) look positively lightweight. You then have to find and empty space before somebody else comes home. Can we not get this organised? Can we not have allocated places? Big tender here little tenders there. If necessary I'd be prepared to pay for a spot to assist in the maintenance of this section and I know that Kenny does a lot. Somebody mentioned that there were plans to increase the size of the dinghy area. Is this correct? I'd be happy to help as I'm sure would other 'trotters' so as to avoid the 'Tender Trap'. Ishmael
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Post by ishmael on Aug 19, 2018 10:16:27 GMT
Many thanks for the comment Fred.
The thread that Fred has replied to was started by me some 8 years ago. For a number of years following my initial posting on this matter the number of boats on the trots appeared to decrease. The number, from a quick count yesterday, is now over 50. Whilst it is appreciated that a lot of these boats hardly ever move, there is an increasing number of owners who are regularly using their boats. The regular users require direct access to their tenders to access their boats and equally important, that on their return there will be a space to moor their tender. New trot members, in particular, also tend to be on the outer trots, or further down the trots away from the club and as such may have slightly larger tenders, or have inflatables with outboards.
What I am pleased to report is that I had a chat with the Harbour Master, Mr Ian Bebb, yesterday and he fully appreciates the problems and the difficulties being experienced. A proposal is to extend the tender pontoon section, possibly with some wooden pontoon sections as opposed to the plastic, with additional 'fingers' so as to increase the number of tender moorings. This would also facilitate the allocation of tender moorings. By allocation of the tender moorings we would then know who actually owns the tender. At present the requirement is only that there is a name on the tender and some of the names do not match up to either the boats or the owners. At this point I have to hold my hand up as my own tender has the name of a boat I sold a couple of years ago. However, what all this would do is rationalise the tender moorings. The allocation of tender moorings would also allow the separation of the inflatables from the hard tenders.
As with all good news comes bad. 'No good turn goes unpunished'. In order to facilitate the works there will be the need for some manpower and the manpower must come from the skippers and crews of the boats on the trot moorings. The works will take some organisation, and is not going to happen overnight, next week or even next month. Ian is going to produce a proposal in the form of a scheme drawing. This will also assist in identifying what material resources we have available and also allow commencing programming of the works.
Another matter is that a low percentage of members actually seem to read the Forum, although I have to say that this particular posting appears to have been well read by members. This probably reflects the club's overall concern with regard to the condition of the tenders moorings and the condition of the tenders. I am going to need to contact the skippers of boats on trot moorings in order to initially find out what they want in terms of mooring facilities and equally important a commitment to provide some labour to undertake the works.
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Post by Kingfisher on Aug 19, 2018 11:06:26 GMT
Best of luck with that
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Post by ishmael on Sept 23, 2018 17:32:51 GMT
Good to see that this is still the most read thread of recent times!
If you've got a tender moored on the pontoon I hope you've been down in recent days and bailed it out. Couple of tenders sank after a week of heavy rain and this is what we do not want. If you want to keep your tender afloat during the autumn winter and spring months, well just about the whole of the year, you've got to be prepared to get down on a regular basis and bail it out. If you know the person next to you do them a favour and bail them out as well.
PS I'd be grateful if the person who borrowed my bailer would put is back!
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Post by ishmael on Nov 18, 2018 19:44:57 GMT
This still remains the most read thread of recent times!
Normally with people taking their boats out for winter the number of moored tenders reduces. However this year we appear to have an increase and space on the pontoon mooring is even tighter than in the middle of summer. A couple of tenders have sunk and I've had a chat with Ian (Harbour Master) to see if we can get these lifted out next week end to make a bit more space. A couple of half inflated inflatables were stuck under the pontoon.
To progress the proposed organisation of the tenders I now have an updated schedule of boats/ skippers on the trots and am discussing proposals with Ian.
PS I'm grateful for the return of the bailer
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Post by Kingfisher on Nov 19, 2018 12:02:09 GMT
Have you spoke to any of the trot members and are they willing to help you
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Post by ishmael on Nov 19, 2018 20:34:54 GMT
Nye.... It's only you, me and Sheila reading the Forum... Is anybody else out there?
Ishmael
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Post by allan on Nov 19, 2018 23:49:58 GMT
I pop in occasionally but, as I'm no longer a member, I'm no help. Good luck. Allan
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Post by Kingfisher on Nov 20, 2018 9:00:22 GMT
I'm sure there are more than that out there, But have you spoke to any trot members to get things sorted out.
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Post by grant on Nov 20, 2018 12:50:17 GMT
I keep an eye on the forum and am moored on the trots so we do exist.
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Post by Kingfisher on Nov 20, 2018 13:02:12 GMT
But that's the problem we got lots of watchers but not many do'ers lol
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Post by sheila on Dec 13, 2018 16:10:26 GMT
Any progress with this Andy?
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Post by Kingfisher on Dec 15, 2018 13:12:31 GMT
Gone all quiet on hear must be the cold weather
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